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FamiTracker
Yeah maybe I was obsessed with this.. it's so late
I should get some sleep.
http://4x86.com/wily-capsule-n.mp3
source NSF is attached
edit: put up a new link because old one was way too detuned, as I didn't have my speakers to listen with last night!
edit2: updated NSF with one that doesn't have screwy timings on the n106 (SM command in MML makes timings off for n106). changed thread title to help avoid confusion
[quote=Fx3]I didn't play the game yet, still waiting for the X360 port, but... a Wily Capsule in MM10?[/quote]
Wily Capsule is what they called his flying saucer thing.
[quote=furrykef]I'm curious: why write in MML?[/quote]
I learned it in 2003 back before Famitracker was out. Also I've never really liked trackers / tracking interfaces. Especially now, I'm much faster with MML.
Really? I used to write in MML starting in either 2003 or 2004, but as soon as I discovered FamiTracker 0.2.7, I switched immediately and have never looked back...
Some other benefits to using MML are: built in one channel auto echo, support for any note length, and precise support for triplets, tuplets {cdefgab>cdefgabc}16, etc.
[quote=Rushjet1]Well I could have said "Can you do N106 in Famitracker?! HUH??" :D[/quote]
I'll grant you that one.
[quote=tadpole]built in one channel auto echo[/quote]
I'm not sure what this is... you mean like a delay? I can fake it easily enough using volume envelopes...
[quote=tadpole]support for any note length[/quote]
I can easily make notes of arbitrary length in FT, too...
[quote=tadpole]and precise support for triplets, tuplets {cdefgab>cdefgabc}16, etc.[/quote]
Set your tempo settings and pattern lengths right, and space your notes right, and it's no problem at all
Though it can indeed suck if you're in the middle of a long song which you assumed didn't need triplets and all of a sudden you need a triplet... usually I just use the Gxx command to fake it in that case.
I'll give you that you can do all those things in FT. But certain things are easier to do in MML, and others are easier to do in FT. I use both...
Famitracker has a much better system for vibrato.
Portamento is easy in FT, a nightmare in MML.
In Famitracker, you don't run into bank-switching problems (again, a nightmare).
Famitracker has much smaller file sizes.
It's easier to compose quickly in FT.
But cutting and pasting is very tedious in FT, and is a breeze with MML.
I still find myself using MML more often than FT. I find it easier to fine-tune my songs, getting them to sound extremely polished. For me, it's frustratingly difficult working with different spacings, changing speed settings, using the Gxx command... But in MML using a triplet is as simple as {abc}4
It's easy to make most note lengths in FT, but how about 17th notes? I don't know how useful it is to have 17th notes... but the point is that from case to case, instead of having to do math to decide which speed settings to use and how to space your notes out, you can just say c17 and there you are.
So, yes it's no problem at all... unless you don't like working with abnormal spacing or working with extremely high speeds (for example F01, 02, or 03). It drains my creativity to worry about those things.
By the way, yes autoecho is automatic single channel delay. Not a huge deal, but certainly saves you some time and hassle.
[quote=tadpole]Famitracker has a much better system for vibrato.[/quote]
It does? I thought it had gimpy vibrato, like always pitchbending it above the note as opposed to around it. Also is it possible to get it to do vibrato for every note after a delay of X frames? The effect I've tried just automatically applies it, so if you want to do vibrato in the middle of each quarter note you have to manually turn it on/off each time.
[quote=tadpole]Portamento is easy in FT, a nightmare in MML.[/quote]
With PPMCK EX3 and on, you have the PS command. So to do portamento between notes, instead of a b c d e you'd do l16. a PS b32 b PS c32 c PS d32 d PS e32 e
Yeah it's still nowhere near as nice as Famitracker's, but it's no longer a nightmare either (defining custom EP macros for each situation). It's more of an annoyance now. :D
[quote=tadpole]In Famitracker, you don't run into bank-switching problems (again, a nightmare).[/quote]
In PPMCK Ex3 or later, you have the #AUTO-BANKSWITCH <num> command, which uses <num> as the max number of banks. It tries to find the optimal configuration of switching to work, and it relieves a lot of the headache in this area.
[quote=tadpole]Famitracker has much smaller file sizes.[/quote]
Yep, unless you do crazy optimization that nobody in their right mind does like I did on Mega Man 9.5, this is true for most songs.
[quote=tadpole]It's easier to compose quickly in FT.[/quote]
Depends on who you are :D
[quote=tadpole]But cutting and pasting is very tedious in FT, and is a breeze with MML.[/quote]
Also anything a good text editor can do, you can do. Search/replace? I want all the times in the song where I'm using @2 timbre to change to @1.. that's easy :D And we can use regex if we want.
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My biggest annoyance with MML that Famitracker inherently does not have a problem with is timing. What if, due to some weird circumstance, one channel is ONE FRAME out of sync with the rest? In famitracker, you just look across the lines and say oh, it's off by a frame. In fact, unless you're doing 60FPS editing in FT, this issue shouldn't come up. In MCK, you go "ok i'm at tempo 180 do i use a 96th note? or a 128th?" It can be a huge pain. Also if you mute a channel for X amount of time, you have to calculate the rests that would go there... in FT you just kinda .. line it up.
Another annoyance is that you can't nest loops |: notes 2. You can nest the crappy [] loops but those just unroll and waste space, unused macros waste space, unused macro SLOTS waste space, commands that do nothing take up space (MPOF MPOF MPOF MPOF takes up four notes of space).
Another thing in favor of FT is its much more sophisticated DPCM support, as seen in Strobe songs :D I mean, you can do that in PPMCK but you'd have to ... i dunno, use wait commands like w128 (per frame?) and use direct memory writes. Yikes.
Rushjet, Could you explain a |: loop for me? (did you add a smiley there purposefully?)
Yeah, you're right about famitracker's vibrato, it sounds off, especially with high amplitude (I sometimes use the P7F or 7E command when I'm using big vibrato). but I love how you can change the vibrato settings in the middle of a note.
Same thing with cutoffs. You can use the volume column in FT to lower the volume, but with MML you have to use a new note with a new volume envelope.
I've found that even with the auto bankswitch command, I still run out of data after a while. =(
1) yes i meant to not type a smiley. |: a b c :|50 repeats a b c 50 times, and it's an actual loop, not an unrolled one (much more efficient).
2) With AUTO-BANKSWITCH <num> you just increase "num" if you run out of space-- in fact if you just say #AUTO-BANKSWITCH 10 it should work for anything, and it doesn't waste space if you don't use it.
2. You can nest the crappy [] loops but those just unroll and waste space, unused macros waste space, unused macro SLOTS waste space, commands that do nothing take up space (MPOF MPOF MPOF MPOF takes up four notes of space).