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So let me get this straight; you know 100% that JSR & his selected staff members only deal permanent bans when people post such silly things as plagiarised music or spam topics that have no relevance to FamiTracker?
I know, as you've mentioned, that you don't fully understand the way that JSR or his forum staff operate (at least not until you become a forum staff member on any site, or own a site of your own). But, I'm 100% sure that JSR, jrlepage & all other moderators here practice the utmost discretion & sensibility when it comes to moderating the forum, punishing those who violate forum rules & resolving issues between users & staff. In other words, they already do everything that you've suggested & you haven't realised it.
Then, you speak of little offenses; do you mean something like posting irrelevant information in a topic that's older than 1 month? Because I know for a fact that none of JSR's staff has permabanned anyone for this. Or, do you mean posting plagiarised content from other users or from existing games? Because plagiarism is not something I (nor anyone else, for that matter,) would consider a minor offense & would gladly leave to the staff's discretion. As you can see, opinons of users may differ from each other, but when you have a team of staff members moderating the place, they've already come to a consensus on what is minor & major as an offense &, naturally, moderator discretion (which includes team communication, which I know for a fact exists here,) comes into play.
Also, posting such things as your #2 suggestion would not only discredit your entire topic in my opinion, but would also suggest to me that you once owned another account that was banned by jrlepage for a pretty valid reason; perhaps you're simply evading a ban that you may have deserved. I hope I'm wrong, though.
But regardless of who gets banned for what, instead of evading a ban & possibly repeating the same behaviour that deserves a second ban, why not e-mail an appeal to JSR instead? I'm sure he'll gladly take in the banned user's side of the story & he'll ultimately weigh their words against any other staff members who banned them.
And believe me; I own my own forum & am also staff on another forum outside of FamiTracker. I know the value of user input & conflict resolution between staff & users, but I also know how important it is for staff of any forum to be able to permaban offenders on the spot, without warning or opening their minds to the full story. There are users out there who deliberately join forums to spam, irritate other users/staff & some may even spam staff e-mails for the sake of irritating them, long after they've been banned for putting out their personal life issues onto the world.
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I do have to say, number 2 really did mess up your whole post. Although, if I owned a forum, or was moderator of one, I would consider implementing a gradually permanent ban. That is, banned for a day, a week, a month, a year, then permanent. No idea how this would be in practice, though, cause I haven't ever owned/operated a forum. I operated a minecraft server, once, though. It was survival PvP, everyone wanted creative, and they got it cause I'm a terrible moderator.
Anyway, I'd have to say that "little offenses" don't ever really get banned. they get warnings. Repeated "little offenses" then get bans. I see no reason to say that the banning system isn't fair, and I think the mods do a better job than some forums at moderating.
Some other places I've tried to conquer:
[url=http://chipmusic.org/ch3dd4r]Le Chipmusic
[url=http://battleofthebits.org/barracks/Profile/CH3DD4R/]Le BattleOfTheBits
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First, little offenses results in a warning initially, not a ban. When a ban is given, it's usually permanent for two reasons:
1. There is no temp ban functionality in this forum, meaning that I manually have to revert the ban when the time is out. I have better things to do. In addition to that, often when temp bans was given it was in vain (meaning that the user still received a permanent ban at a later point anyway).
2. I used to be very tolerant to all kind of behavior here, but I'm not anymore. This place is no playground for kids and the rules are simple, obey or get banned! It can't be that hard, a lot of people manage to stay here without getting banned.
Still it's usually possible to appeal even a permanent ban, on the condition that no attempts has been made to evade it and that the ban is the first one.
Second, I see that you've been here for a few months only. What's the reason behind these suggestions?
And btw, your second point doesn't exactly make anyone reconsider using temp bans as practice.
[quote=CheeseGuy99]... I would consider implementing a gradually permanent ban. That is, banned for a day, a week, a month, a year, then permanent. No idea how this would be in practice, though, cause I haven't ever owned/operated a forum.[/quote]
I know something like this can be done in SMF; there's a feature where admins/mods can set a count-down penalty period on offending users, almost like a demerit point system. Based on the number of demerit points a user gets, the admin/mod in charge would view the user's profile in the administrative settings of the forum & manually set a slider based on those demerit points, which determines the number of days this penalty lasts. If the slider is set below the 50% mark, the user is flagged as a "scoundrel" for how many days until the count-down ends. If the slider's set above the 50% mark, the user can only log in, read topics & read/respond to PMs, but can't creat or respond to other topics.
I doubt that phpBB has this (& I know that punBB & MyUPB don't have this,) but even though this could still exist as an add-on for whatever forum software, it'll never replace the staff's discretion (especially when it comes to repeat offenders).
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Some other places I've tried to conquer:
[url=http://chipmusic.org/ch3dd4r]Le Chipmusic
[url=http://battleofthebits.org/barracks/Profile/CH3DD4R/]Le BattleOfTheBits
i fully-heartedly second the "jrlepage posts a different selfie with each post" initiative, possibly mutable down to a "randomly generated slideshow in signature" compromise
My intention with this was to point out that flawed banning system of the forum software, [b]not jsr, lepage, etc.[/b].
I think jsr and the mods do a pretty good job of keeping this place in order, but I think it's unfair [b]to them[/b] that they have to manually undo it for a makeshift tempban.
The lepage suggestion was sincere, but it had a second purpose: a placeholder measure until we get the new forum software. Even with the new software, it could still be used.
Just like beta versions of video games, placeholders like these could be of great help until the new software arrives. That won't be for a while but I can wait.
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RE: Possible alternatives to permabansPosted: 2015-01-27 03:08
[quote=derpaderpagoo98]2. Until we get the new software, if people knew that jrlepage was good looking maybe people would listen to him more.[/quote]
Haha, yes he is a looker! ^.^
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Also, what does jrlepage's posting a picture of himself have to do with anything, derpaderpagoo98? Or are you just posting this because you're evading a well-deserved ban that jrlepage has imposed on you?
Like I said before, comments like that only discredit the previous suggestion you made, no matter how "sincere" it may be.
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I really don't understand the point of this post. There's a forum software update (to phpBB) right around the corner, which will make this entire discussion completely moot. Also, I don't believe there has been any situation thus far where I or any other staff member assigned a ban that didn't last an appropriate amount of time.
Why is this non-issue suddenly being brought to the table? And from someone who hasn't had to deal with any kind of moderation to top it off?
I'm sorry, but I really don't get it.
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[quote=TechEmporium]Or are you just posting this because you're evading a well-deserved ban that jrlepage has imposed on you?[/quote]
Wait, wait. What?
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