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He's A Pirate [VRC6] Posted: 2014-11-15 07:24 Reply | Quote
NoobHunter

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#63594
How has no one made this yet... Anyway, this is probably my best cover so far, enjoy.


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RE: He's A Pirate [VRC6] Posted: 2014-11-15 08:27  (Last Edited: 2014-11-15 08:29) Reply | Quote
zbxq



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I'm sorry, but the wrong rhythm is really bothering me. And I have no idea what the bassline starts to do. Have you listened to the original?

Attached is what I think is the correct rhythm.


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RE: He's A Pirate [VRC6] Posted: 2014-11-15 09:46 Reply | Quote
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[quote=zbxq]I'm sorry, but the wrong rhythm is really bothering me. And I have no idea what the bassline starts to do. Have you listened to the original?

Attached is what I think is the correct rhythm. [/quote]

This isn't based off the main theme from Curse of the Black Pearl, it's a different arrangement.

Posted: 2014-11-15 11:16  (Last Edited: 2014-11-15 12:25) Reply | Quote
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Hello,
I looked at the ftm and others you posted.
If i can help i think for this one you should check the instruments settings and set them up differently 'cause they're almost all the same 00=01=02=04=05etc..(unless it's on puprose)except 03 so you can't have variety in the overall sound.

The Triangle should be way more precise by adding Sxx effect to control the length of your notes because the groove is not there.
You can also set up a blank instr.wich lead to my next point :
-one advice i can give you is to learn how to use the most common effects available :
Qxx bend up to a note
Rxx release bend from a note
1xx
2xx
3xx
4xx
otherwise it's like playing guitar without bends, slides, hammer, pull offs, vibrato.

Hope it helped,also check the WIKI seriously and the attached examples there's lot of info not to be missed and study the ftm's of the members on the forum. I learned a lot doing that.

Cheers

Posted: 2014-11-15 21:52 Reply | Quote
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[quote=heyjoe07]Hello,
I looked at the ftm and others you posted.
If i can help i think for this one you should check the instruments settings and set them up differently 'cause they're almost all the same 00=01=02=04=05etc..(unless it's on puprose)except 03 so you can't have variety in the overall sound.

The Triangle should be way more precise by adding Sxx effect to control the length of your notes because the groove is not there.
You can also set up a blank instr.wich lead to my next point :
-one advice i can give you is to learn how to use the most common effects available :
Qxx bend up to a note
Rxx release bend from a note
1xx
2xx
3xx
4xx
otherwise it's like playing guitar without bends, slides, hammer, pull offs, vibrato.

Hope it helped,also check the WIKI seriously and the attached examples there's lot of info not to be missed and study the ftm's of the members on the forum. I learned a lot doing that.

Cheers[/quote]
I changed the duty cycles for some to add more effect but thanks for the suggestion.



RE: He's A Pirate [VRC6] Posted: 2014-11-15 23:17 Reply | Quote
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#63614
Yeah, Zimmer could definitely sound good in Famitracker (even if I'm not a huge fan of how he just writes the same chords in different order with different instrumentation for most of his soundtracks, hmm...). This is a decent first step, but there are a few things that could be fixed and there's room for expansion.

Firstly, I think I've cracked the code: After muting your melody channels and listening only to the bassline I realized that it's pretty much spot on to the original. The problem is that the melody comes in too early and is completely desynchronized from the bass. All you have to do is shift all three melody channels a handful of frames later and everything matches up.

Secondly, the above suggestions are good. There are quite a few "strange" notes and rhythms in your cover; can I ask what kind of arrangement you used for this? Is there something wrong with the iconic, instantly recognizable original? :-P
Also, you have a lot of channels at your disposal with the VRC6 and most of them are just "(octave-)doubling" each other (i.e. singing the same note; the channels often clash unpleasantly with each other if you don't do this carefully, as you can probably hear). You could enhance the richness of the cover by instead using some of them to add harmony and also make them more distinct in other ways (like manipulating volume).

Attached an example where I fiddle with the first few frames. I shifted the melody to the right place (notice the sudden jump forward when the fourth frame starts and my editing stops), messed with the melody a bit, started with some harmony... it's rough work, but have a listen if interested. :-)


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RE: He's A Pirate [VRC6] Posted: 2014-11-16 00:25 Reply | Quote
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#63617
[quote=OzzyKingofKings]Yeah, Zimmer could definitely sound good in Famitracker (even if I'm not a huge fan of how he just writes the same chords in different order with different instrumentation for most of his soundtracks, hmm...). This is a decent first step, but there are a few things that could be fixed and there's room for expansion.

Firstly, I think I've cracked the code: After muting your melody channels and listening only to the bassline I realized that it's pretty much spot on to the original. The problem is that the melody comes in too early and is completely desynchronized from the bass. All you have to do is shift all three melody channels a handful of frames later and everything matches up.

Secondly, the above suggestions are good. There are quite a few "strange" notes and rhythms in your cover; can I ask what kind of arrangement you used for this? Is there something wrong with the iconic, instantly recognizable original? :-P
Also, you have a lot of channels at your disposal with the VRC6 and most of them are just "(octave-)doubling" each other (i.e. singing the same note; the channels often clash unpleasantly with each other if you don't do this carefully, as you can probably hear). You could enhance the richness of the cover by instead using some of them to add harmony and also make them more distinct in other ways (like manipulating volume).

Attached an example where I fiddle with the first few frames. I shifted the melody to the right place (notice the sudden jump forward when the fourth frame starts and my editing stops), messed with the melody a bit, started with some harmony... it's rough work, but have a listen if interested. :-)[/quote]
That's pretty good, but with the bassline shifted it now loops in the wrong place.

RE: He's A Pirate [VRC6] Posted: 2014-11-16 00:39  (Last Edited: 2014-11-16 00:42) Reply | Quote
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#63619
Try shifting the melody down and don't move the bass stuff (like I did in my exanple). The bass channels are more or less fine (until the very end, where something happens and I can't make sense of it).
EDIT: As for looping, any time you're doing this kind of mass movement of material on your channels you'll likely have to fix some stuff on the edges (like where it loops). I honestly don't know how it's going to go or where you want to take it, so you'll have to sort that out when it happens...


It would also help to choose a frame size that is coherent with the meter of the piece (for your module something like 48 or 96 rows per frame instead of 128 like you have it); makes pattern reuse easier to take advantage of and timing easier to grasp!

RE: He's A Pirate [VRC6] Posted: 2014-11-16 00:52 Reply | Quote
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[quote=OzzyKingofKings]Try shifting the melody down and don't move the bass stuff (like I did in my exanple). The bass channels are more or less fine (until the very end, where something happens and I can't make sense of it).
EDIT: As for looping, any time you're doing this kind of mass movement of material on your channels you'll likely have to fix some stuff on the edges (like where it loops). I honestly don't know how it's going to go or where you want to take it, so you'll have to sort that out when it happens...


It would also help to choose a frame size that is coherent with the meter of the piece (for your module something like 48 or 96 rows per frame instead of 128 like you have it); makes pattern reuse easier to take advantage of and timing easier to grasp![/quote]
In heinsight, I put VRC6 in as an after thought and it would probably be better without all the double channels.

Posted: 2014-12-06 17:56 Reply | Quote
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#64193
Fixed, because there still needs to be a He's a Pirate cover.

I guess I'll make a proper cover later.

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