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Why doesn't Triangle have a volume control? Posted: 2013-10-01 00:36 Reply | Quote
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#51620
It's a question that has been gnawing at me for months, and I have to ask why. There are some people who enjoy massive bass too!

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Posted: 2013-10-01 01:22  (Last Edited: 2013-10-01 01:24) Reply | Quote
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Because that's just the way it is. The NES offers no (direct) volume control on the triangle channel. Using DPCM samples affects triangle (and noise) volume, however; so does changing the DAC output level, which you can do using the [url=http://famitracker.com/wiki/index.php?title=Zxx]Zxx command in the DPCM channel.

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Posted: 2013-10-01 01:23 Reply | Quote
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Alrighty then...

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I've edited my previous post to make it a bit more helpful.

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Posted: 2013-10-01 01:28 Reply | Quote
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Much better explanation.

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Posted: 2013-10-04 06:17  (Last Edited: 2013-10-04 06:30) Reply | Quote
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Well, I heard there WAS an ability to change volume of Triangle in the beta version, but it was never maded or succeed.

But you can with FDS version and Namco163, at least. But I suggest you need to know how Namco and FDS works.

EDITIEEE: http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?t=8868 I'm trying to find the evidence...I remember about it, but forgot where...

Posted: 2013-10-04 07:26  (Last Edited: 2013-10-04 07:27) Reply | Quote
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You're referring to the 2A03 test pin. This has nothing to do with Famitracker.

Using FDS or N163 to cheat your way around the 2A03's limitations is, as I [url=http://famitracker.com/forum/posts.php?id=5013&highlight=limitations&pid=51644#51644]mentioned [url=http://famitracker.com/forum/posts.php?id=5013&highlight=cheat&pid=51651#51651]earlier, not ideal.

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Instead of cheating your way around the 2A03's limitations just go full stop and embrace the FDS as your chip of choice and use the rest of the 2A03's channels for extra steeze

Here's an example I did of using Zxx commands to affect triangle volume, btw. You can only make it softer, though.
http://famitracker.com/forum/attachments/51683/znoring_zedzzzz.ftm

A trick I learned from the Gameboy crowd: You can get "massive bass" out of your Nintendo platform of choice by making everything else softer in comparison

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Or, you could always use VRC6 & start using the sawtooth channel. To be honest, there are so many things you can do instead of triangle when you use an expansion chip, but as jrlepage said, the 2A03 chip, as it stands, was never designed with volume control for the triangle channel in mind.

Naturally, there are tricks to do it (the best being SketchMan3's last remark,) but keep in mind that FamiTracker itself is designed to be faithful to the original hardware's limitations (so don't expect the ability to easily control the triangle's volume anytime soon).

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Aww. I hope Sawtooth sounds cooler!

True...o3o At least this program is better than all NES-mimicry

Posted: 2013-10-05 22:09 Reply | Quote
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saw wave is really buzzy. if you've ever listened to cave story's soundtrack...if i remember properly, there's a lot of saw wave (and sine wave) in there.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1fRLSAdAU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1fRLSAdAU

There's a sawtooth wave for you, CaramelPuffpuff.

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[quote=TechEmporium][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1fRLSAdAU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1fRLSAdAU

There's a sawtooth wave for you, CaramelPuffpuff.[/quote]

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