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Hide volume column on triangle channel Posted: 2013-01-05 00:12 Reply | Quote
rainwarrior

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#43307
Since the volume column has no effect in this channel, maybe it would be worth hiding it entirely? New users are often confused then a 0 in the triangle volume does not silence the channel.

Posted: 2013-01-05 08:02 Reply | Quote
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Oh, that's strange... I never tried that. 0 in an instrument volume macro will silence it... why not a 0 in the volume column?

That aside, I have to wonder if removing the volume column instead of just letting newcomers figure it out by experimenting wouldn't just create more confusion.

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Posted: 2013-01-05 11:39 Reply | Quote
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#43317
0 to silence triangle would make intuitive sense

Posted: 2013-01-05 13:03 Reply | Quote
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#43320
note cut would make more sense.

having volume control on a channel that can't be volume controlled is kinda senseless.

Posted: 2013-01-05 13:10 Reply | Quote
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[quote=DjJizzer5]note cut would make more sense.

having volume control on a channel that can't be volume controlled is kinda senseless.[/quote]

What if you're doing note cuts on a different channel via a bunch of volume channel entries, and you want to copy that onto triangle?

Posted: 2013-01-05 15:32 Reply | Quote
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simple - i'm doing note cuts on the other channels by making the actual note cuts.

and your method will not work until 0 in volume control reacts to triangle.

Posted: 2013-01-05 20:38 Reply | Quote
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I agree with Patashu. Rather than eliminate the vol column, 0 should have an effect.

Posted: 2013-01-05 21:46 Reply | Quote
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[quote=Patashu]0 to silence triangle would make intuitive sense[/quote]This. DefleMask do that with the TRI's volume column too.

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Posted: 2013-01-05 22:01 Reply | Quote
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#43334
I can't wait for when jsr puts this in FT and some really clever people are going to complain about "Triangle volume not functioning" and "If i put 8 in da triangl notin happuns"

But yeah it would make sense. I'm actually quite surprised that it's not like that at the moment. I had no idea since I always just note cut or Sxx when I want to stop it. Or actually release, and set the period register to the lowest possible value, like Megaman 1 and 2 does (which makes a little pop)

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#43335
They don't complain now that it actually does not work, so it is logical think that they will not complain if this is added.

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Posted: 2013-01-05 23:10 Reply | Quote
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#43336
Silencing on 0 is what it is supposed to do but hasn't been added yet, but I'll attempt to fix that now when it's brought up.


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Posted: 2013-01-06 08:52 Reply | Quote
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#43345
Make vol 8 auto Z7F on the DPCM channel :P That'll really confuse 'em



Posted: 2013-01-07 22:22 Reply | Quote
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#43378
How about 0 values are marked as 0 and non 0 values are marked as F? That conforms to the triangle 4-bit test DAC too.

Posted: 2013-01-12 19:49 Reply | Quote
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#43471
Isn't it the case that a note cut also resets effects like 4xy? Playing a note in the Triangle channel, then cutting it, then retriggering it later is not the same as zeroing its volume and then restoring it later. Or am I mistaken?

Posted: 2013-01-12 20:07 Reply | Quote
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#43473
Technically, is the same. Zeroing the volume will change the exact same register as making a NOTE-OFF, because the NES' Triangle has only an ON/OFF command, there is nothing more.

BUT, maybe jsr is processing differently a volume change and a note off inside FamiTracker, so this require a look at the source or wait the jsr reply.

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