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FamiTracker
I decided to give Famitracker a bit of a rest and work on some music in a more modern-style music program, but already I'm finding it a bit annoying, first of all how easy it is! Secondly, that I don't get to control everything. For example I want reverb, I open a vst and "bop!" reverb, done for me, whereas in FT I have to plot the notes, although I'm limited in what I can create. If I want to shape the volume I turn the ADSR knobs, but I don't get to plot it, or visually have it there before me.
This got me thinking. Is there a VST that anyone knows about that works similar to famitracker - you create the sound by plotting volume, arp, pitch, cycle, waveform (like for namco etc). Imagine what sounds I could create if the tables went from 0 to 100 rather than 0 to 15!!!
So, my question in short is this: does anyone know of such a VST, and if so, how do I get it?
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[quote=Xyz_39808]No, stop working in DAWs, start working in other trackers. Try OpenMPT or Renoize[/quote]
you're thinking of "sequencer"; openmpt and renoise [i]are[/i] daws
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There are a few vsts like this. The earliest one I know of is the one that YMCK (Japanese chiptune band) made themselves, but I think there's been a couple others since.
However, I second the recommendation of OpenMPT and Renoise...you will have the familiarity of the tracker interface combined with features like logarithmic pitch, hundreds of ticks per second, and more volume levels. However, be advised that none of these programs can easily imitate every hardware quirk inherent to NES hardware or emulation thereof.
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[quote=Xyz_39808]No, stop working in DAWs, start working in other trackers. Try OpenMPT or Renoize[/quote]
Well, I'm open to all opinions... even the slightly ridiculous one that all computer music must be made in a tracker. Reassess what you're saying, it is, after all, slightly fascist - and music would get very boring if we all had to make it in the same way all the time.
I'm not really having a go - I get what you're saying, but I've done a lot of Famitracker recently and I think I need to put it down and pick up a different instrument for a little while - going back to my old FL studio with a fresh perspective after having learnt so much in FT. It doesn't mean I'm dropping it.
[quote=cak]There are a few vsts like this. The earliest one I know of is the one that YMCK (Japanese chiptune band) made themselves, but I think there's been a couple others since. [/quote]
Is that magical8bitplug? I have that and it's just turny knobs, although it seems to have no real interface with FL (opens in FL wrapper), maybe that's the problem.
[quote=cak] be advised that none of these programs can easily imitate every hardware quirk inherent to NES hardware or emulation thereof. [/quote]
I'm not interested in recreating the NES sound on a non-NES platform, what I'm interested in is taking the sound design skills I've learnt thus far in FT and using them in different ways in FL.
Any more suggestions for VSTis that work this way?
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Anyway, there is chipsounds. I don't know if it does what you want, I haven't tried it myself. It seems to do arpeggios and custom waves.
http://www.plogue.com/products/chipsounds/
I have next to no experience with piano-roll DAWs myself, but they probably have some way where you can easily automate pitch bend, expression and modulation controllers.
The "in control of everything" feeling that you're used to is a result of having worked in a tracker with monophonic channels. It's a necessity to manually map things like echo and reverb in that environment. So to maintain that feeling in a "higher-order" situation, you'll need another tracker, like OpenMPT, Sunvox, or Renoise (the last of which is a fully-fledged DAW as mentioned).
The difference when you get into sequencers, piano rolls, drum machines, and other DAW input styles is that those knobs and sliders are a way to simulate messing with like things on older hardware synthesizers. The way to plot fine curves of any of these settings is through automation tracks or whatever is similar in whatever DAW you're using. So with something like Plogue Chipsounds or magical8bitplug or whatever other instrument, you can still get something not dissimilar. I doubt you'll easily find something that'll let you plot those curves in the instrument, since it's painfully difficult to sync something like that to the rest of the song, which many producers using these "higher-order" DAWs will want. (Maybe. I'll admit I'm talking out my ass here.)
I've not used FL, but does it have some means of automation? Methinks that will be what you're looking for.
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Also, saying "stop working on DAWs" is frankly ridiculous. Saying that trackers are the best is absolutely pretentious and I know of many people that prefer a piano-roll based DAW over a limited tracker/sequencer. Also, OpenMPT and Renoise are indeed DAWs, so lol
Personally, when it comes to making fakebit sounds, I'll use either Toxic Biohazard, which comes with FL (a demo, anyway, you [i]do[/i] need to buy it) or Circle. Toxic works for simple NES like wave forms, but it doesn't do duty changes, but then again Toxic isn't exactly meant to do fakebit. But what I'd really recommend is Circle - it's a really simple VST, with easy envelope editing, and most importantly you can automate duty cycle when working with pulse waves. I've been getting SID-like leads no problem by using the built in LFO function.
I would easily advise ASDR envelopes over plotting the stuff in manually via MML or something similar. You don't get as much control, yes, but, whatever is easier and can get the same sort of sound I think is far more advisable.
Oh, and yes. FL allows automation. All of it. Anything with a knob can be controlled. It's just that you'll need to find a not so obvious method to automate *everything*, like the Mod wheel in FM8.
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[url=http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA022293/pxtone/]PXTone is a fairly versatile chiptune sequencer, with a piano roll interface that is well adapted for the needs of chiptunes. It does a pretty good job of sounding like an NES but it can do a lot of other sounds too. It's not a VST plugin or anything though.
Googled with immediate success. This place has a good selection of the VSTs you are looking for: [url=http://woolyss.com/chipmusic-plugins.php]http://woolyss.com/chipmusic-plugins.php
