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GamBo-tracker Posted: 2009-04-02 19:31 Reply | Quote
ChipWarrior



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#2699
Exactly one year has passed since I discovered FamiTracker for the very first time.

By now, I am completely satisfied with its features, even though there are still some errors, malfunctions etc.

If you compare Nintendo music with the one integrated within Game Boy games, you will definitely notice a slight difference between the qualities:

The triangle channel is much more advanced than the one in NSF-music.

What I would like to start is a thread that deals with a new tracker: the so-called "GamBo-tracker" which has nearly the same interface as Famitracker, only with all adjustments and settings which you can find in "Paragon 5" for example.

Is anyone of you able to create this GamBo-tracker, working in Windows (XP), functioning like Famitracker?? THis would help a lot, because it would make Famitracker the perfect tool...


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Posted: 2009-04-02 21:34 Reply | Quote
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#2700
GB does not have nor triangle neither DPCM channels. This is not so slight difference, I'd say.

Posted: 2009-04-03 11:22 Reply | Quote
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#2705
But how can you explain the music in TMNT 2? There are always chords (two leads) and some sort of a bass line which can be differenciated from the NSF- triangle sound. It does sound forte, powerful.

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Posted: 2009-04-03 11:43 Reply | Quote
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#2706
I wonder, why you ask to create the GB tracker, but haven't even read the GB sound specifications? GB has four channels, indeed. Instead of triangle and DPCM there is custom waveshape channel, which allows to define arbitrary waveshape using 32 4-bit samples. It can be triangle, rough sine or whatever else.

Posted: 2009-04-03 11:52 Reply | Quote
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It's just that I didn't remember how those alternative forms are called.

Recently, I picked up a program called "Music Editor". I found the triangle, quad, up, fish and spec-sine.

All I am asking for is to add those wave forms to the FamiTracker (-> GamBo-tracker) because all game boy trackers that have been created since are unsatisfyingly customized.

The FamiTracker is the best program and I'd like to use it for privat purpose to compose Game Boy chiptunes.

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Posted: 2009-04-03 12:09  (Last Edited: 2009-04-03 12:10) Reply | Quote
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#2708
Custom waveshapes are available in N106 (Namco's soundchip), which is not supported by FamiTracker currently. It uses 4-bit samples too, but has more channels and variable waveshape length.

Besides of FamiTracker changes, you forgot that GB support would require new player (for *.gbs export), and GB uses different CPU, so player must be made from scratch.

Posted: 2009-04-04 14:14 Reply | Quote
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I actually prefer the gameboy sound chip. I'm not at all fussed about DPCM, I can totally live without it (and often do), and I love the gameboy's wavetable channel. Plus, IIRC, gameboy can do stereo!

would be great to have a tracker with GBS export, no question. I like famitracker's interface a lot, so something similar would be ace. i hope someone makes a tracker to do this some day.

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Posted: 2009-04-04 17:29 Reply | Quote
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#2713
Thanks, Dave!

Yes, TMNT 2 is the best example for stereo channels, there won't be a game boy game featuring any better GBS-music, right?

I've tried to simulate a game boy chip tune with FamiTracker and here is a result:

There are some other chiptunes I composed the last weeks, so feel free to watch, vote and comment!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmH2MU8Dhbg

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Posted: 2009-04-05 20:17 Reply | Quote
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I agree it would rock if Famitracker was capable of making Gameboy music as well. Your best bet might be getting a hold of the source code for another gameboy tracker like Boyscout and then rewriting some of Famitracker's code to use the gbs creating code from Boyscout (or whatever). This isn't something you do in a blink, however, and you'll need to know lots of c++ and have access to the mfc library editing tools.

Posted: 2009-04-05 21:34  (Last Edited: 2009-04-05 21:36) Reply | Quote
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[quote=ChipWarrior]there won't be a game boy game featuring any better GBS-music, right?[/quote]

debatable!

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Posted: 2009-04-05 22:17 Reply | Quote
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#2724
Now that I've examined most of the features of the latest Fami-version, I am almostly convinced that a NSF-GBS- transformation IS possible: the formated additional squares and the sawtooth give the composer the opportunity to create vivid tunes, much more modified and advanced than regular NES-tunes.

@ Dave:

Which game then does contain music that is as good as the one in TMNT 2 (GB) or even better??


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Posted: 2009-04-06 06:48 Reply | Quote
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#2728
Any game that Jake Kaufman lended his talents to. Shantae, Who Wants to be a Millionaire, etc. Jake did some incredible Game Boy music using the free Game Boy tracker that no one here likes because it's interface isn't as friendly as most of you would like it to be.

Posted: 2009-04-06 16:54 Reply | Quote
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#2732
I'll search for other splendid tracks.

The new Beta is pretty close to a game boy tracker which is perfect!

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Posted: 2009-04-07 00:59 Reply | Quote
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#2747
The GB is quite popular and there are already several ways to create GB music, so I don't feel like or have the time to adapt famitracker for it. And I doubt anyone else wants to go through the mess of the sources to do it. Sorry

The key is to learn, and I agree with tssf; Paragon 5 tracker is a great start.

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Posted: 2009-04-07 01:19 Reply | Quote
ChipWarrior



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#2748
Paragon 5 is, in my opinion such a miserable excuse for a tracker, even though it is the "best" of the entire collection.

FamiTracker is simply the best... the interface, the functions... everything.

But the latest update is like an adaption to the GB- trackers.

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