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Chrome Caves Posted: 2011-04-19 02:34  (Last Edited: 2011-04-21 20:27) Reply | Quote
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Used for a game I'm making, a cave made completely out of CHROME.
Its the first level so I didn't make it insane.
[b]EDIT-Changed Beat.[/b]


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Posted: 2011-04-19 02:38 Reply | Quote
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Okay, this bothers me about every one of your songs.

You need to learn how time signatures work, and you need to apply them to your songs, otherwise everything sounds completely off and ill timed, which is not something you want distracting the listener. I have no further criticism, the song doesn't seem developed enough to be criticized as of yet.

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Posted: 2011-04-19 02:42 Reply | Quote
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[quote=danooct1]Okay, this bothers me about every one of your songs.

You need to learn how time signatures work, and you need to apply them to your songs, otherwise everything sounds completely off and ill timed, which is not something you want distracting the listener. I have no further criticism, the song doesn't seem developed enough to be criticized as of yet. [/quote]
Time signatures? what do you mean? The only time I heard of those are in REAL orchestra music.
If your talking about the rows, I wanted it like that.

Posted: 2011-04-19 02:44  (Last Edited: 2011-04-19 02:47) Reply | Quote
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Well, at least he was able to put a steady noise channel beat into the song. The DPCM beats were spaced in a way that didn't exactly complement the entire rhythm section of this track, which is why danooct1 & I both feel that he needs more work with timing.

It's also still a very basic tune when compared to others that I have seen. Other than that, once the percussion's timing is worked on, you should have something tangible to expand upon.

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[quote=yucca70]The only time I heard of those are in REAL orchestra music.[/quote]

... So this is supposed to be FAKE orchestra music???

Posted: 2011-04-19 02:51  (Last Edited: 2011-04-19 02:52) Reply | Quote
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[quote=Mex][quote=yucca70]The only time I heard of those are in REAL orchestra music.[/quote]

... So this is supposed to be FAKE orchestra music???[/quote]
No, Im talking about 4/4, 3/4, 2/4, this uses simple 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19

Really technical this is REAL music.

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Time signatures still apply when writing any sort of music. They help the listener find a beat pattern that they can identify with. If you're not willing to learn how to apply them then that's fine, but my criticism will remain the same on each of your songs.

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Posted: 2011-04-19 03:13  (Last Edited: 2011-04-19 03:15) Reply | Quote
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[quote=yucca70][quote=Mex][quote=yucca70]The only time I heard of those are in REAL orchestra music.[/quote]

... So this is supposed to be FAKE orchestra music???[/quote]
No, Im talking about 4/4, 3/4, 2/4, this uses simple 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19

Really technical this is REAL music.[/quote]
go lern sum [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature]moosik theory.

What danooct1 said, basically. Time signatures are inherent to any music (with some very rare exceptions which probably never happen in the context of tracked music anyway). You need to have at least basic understanding of what they do and how they work if you're going to produce any coherent piece of music.

Tracked music, if anything, pushes this even further by forcing you to realise that you're really dividing every "beat" in the time signature into very small steps (usually, 16 rows = 1 beat, but occasionally you'll find modules with 8 or even 4 rows to each beat).

Posted: 2011-04-19 03:14  (Last Edited: 2011-04-19 06:31) Reply | Quote
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[quote=danooct1]Time signatures still apply when writing any sort of music. They help the listener find a beat pattern that they can identify with. If you're not willing to learn how to apply them then that's fine, but my criticism will remain the same on each of your songs. [/quote]

As will my criticism.

There's no such thing as simple time increments; if there were, you wouldn't even have such features as tempo adjustment or the Gxx effect in FamiTracker (nor would you actually tap your toes to keep time in any song you listen to).

4/4 is the default time setting in FamiTracker. You can change it to anything, as long as you take the time to make a song that suits that timing.

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Posted: 2011-04-19 04:48 Reply | Quote
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Hrmm, what does he not understand about time signatures based on this piece? It clearly has one.

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[quote=rainwarrior]Hrmm, what does he not understand about time signatures[/quote]
The whole concept behind them, I'd guess.

Posted: 2011-04-19 06:17  (Last Edited: 2011-04-19 06:39) Reply | Quote
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[quote=rainwarrior]Hrmm, what does he not understand about time signatures based on this piece? It clearly has one.[/quote]

What he's not grasping is the fact that you'd need to synchronized the entire song to at least one bass/rhythm channel to the same time signature as you play through an entire song (& that's beside his lack of wanting to divide each lump of notes in his track into proper measures/frames with proper notation).

The way the DPCM, noise & all other channels are organized directly conflict with each other in terms of time in his song; listening to it is like listening to any random song with two metronomes set at different, unrelated tempos. At least that's how I hear it.

Here's an example of what I'm trying to talk about here; my 12th song of my recent OST uses a very odd beat (as a matter of fact, the MMC5 channels aren't playing at the same beat as the 2A03 channels,) yet it all manages to retain a decent rhythm without throwing off the audience in terms of time signature or tempo (i.e.: it does conflict if you listen closely, but not too much to sound overly displeasing).

That's because all of my 2A03 channels are synchronized at the same time signature; as long as a proper bass/rhythm section is established (& as long as all other channels revolve around that section's time signature,) I can use different note timings in the MMC5 channels without conflicting too much with the flow of the song.

Seeing that yucca70 changed his beat to its most basic, he can now figure out a decent pattern at which to establish his rhythm. Sure, it may help to establish some bass, but let's concentrate on rhythm more.

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OK... Posted: 2011-04-19 12:57 Reply | Quote
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I've made an example of what I think this beat thing is about, If im wrong, then I don't get what your saying.


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RE: OK... Posted: 2011-04-19 17:37 Reply | Quote
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[quote=yucca70]I've made an example of what I think this beat thing is about, If im wrong, then I don't get what your saying.[/quote]

Precisely, that is in 4/4 time. It's split up a little awkwardly, but you've hit the beat on the head.

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Tech, that's not a very good example since both rhythms are 4/4. The 2A03 is just a simple dotted-eighth dotted-eighth eighth rhythm.

Drum is: 1 a 2 + (3) + 4.

MMC5 is very obviously 4/4

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