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FamiTracker
Hello, I'm new to the boards. Great software you have here!
However, I am very comfortable using piano roll editing software, that you'd commonly find while crafting music in midi.
Is there any any that there can be a piano roll sequencing screen added to this program? I would perhaps open up huge possibilities for others who are comfortable using this other format.
If the author could take a look at a program called midigraphy for mac0S 9 and let me know if this feature could be added, it would be greatly appreciated.
As I am currently using a very old mac right now, I can't post links for a variety of reasons. This is a URL you can follow to see a screenshot of what I mean:
The different colors are different channels, but since the NES only has 5 channels, only 5 would be necessary, not the 16 one would find in midi. Also, notice that all channels are shown at once. This is crucial for good composing. Some piano roll editors only allow one to edit one channel at a time, which renders them fairly useless, IMO.
i'm going to set aside all the other points I had for the sake of not starting an argument, and just say that this is FamiTRACKER, so I highly doubt the resident programer would waste extra time just to implement something that in my experience goes together like a... thing that doesn't go along well with... another thing.
Well, my purpose is not to offend or antagonize, but suggest an addition to increase the usability of an already great application. Is there some technical difficulty in creating a piano roll that works with a tracker?
I've actually never used FL studio for long, because its piano roll is badly designed. I don't find it very intuitive to use, because it only allows you to edit a single channel at a time, which means that you can't see relationships between notes while composing.
I posted a gif of the program I do use, which is called midigraphy.
I'm curious: is there some inside giggling at others who prefer other more intuitive methods for creating tunes on the NES? If so, why?
Why is piano roll use necessarily proportional to FL Studio use? I don't understand. There are plenty of other DAWs out there... arguably better ones. Do tracker users generally think the alternative to tracking is FL? Heh... I hope not.
spires, I'd also would have loved a piano roll when I started out with the whole NES tracking thing. The only reason I'm able to track at all is due to MIDI-IN functionality/using a MIDI keyboard for note entry (in step time), where I can see what I'm doing in a musical sense more clearly. I'd strongly recommend that if you're more adjusted to looking at the view of a piano. I really couldn't bare stabbing at notes using the ascii keyboard. I'm sure many people do it, but I found it infuriating. Still, I get on just fine with FamiTracker now, so I think if you stuck it out using a MIDI keyboard you'd get on better!
Plus, yes, I suppose there is a possibility that implementing a piano roll would be going against "tracker mentality". I don't like that idea personally... I'd take a program with functionality over a program that conforms to a niche idealogy. As it stands I personally wouldn't particularly -need- a piano roll at this stage anyway, and I wonder how one would be successfully implemented... still isn't a bad idea IMO, and shouldn't just be disregarded because "you can't gone dun that with a tracker!"
I am giggling because a tracker is a tracker. If you can't read a chord by letter-note-names and their octave numbers.... welll.... then Dave is totally correct. You need your piano roll.
What I would like is a nice musical notation gui with a treble claft and base clafte and the app just kind of guesses for me which of the 12 notes I put in a space go with what voice and just throws some arps around to make up for too many notes. And I want to be able to do odd rhythm divisions like triplets but 11 notes in the space of 8 and things like that. JSR, could you also implement some filters and an echo? Ooooh... maybe a chorus!! :D
Even if you can read chords by note names, which I can and do, using an ascii keyboard seems illogical if you have a midi keyboard sat by you to use. I don't know what practical benefits using the ascii for data entry has. Perhaps it's faster once you've learned where all the notes are, because you wouldn't have to switch between two devices for input (not that it takes any time at all really) but that'd surely take some time to learn.
Haven't worked out tuplets though not sure they're mathematically possible with Fami's note delay... the limitation of most trackers is that unless you piddle around with delay quite liberally, you're going to end up with something that sounds quantised. It's a good thing most tracker people tend to go for electronic genres =P.
I can read by octave number and note name. There are still plenty of valid reasons one would prefer a piano roll to a tracker.
Furthermore, I have nothing against trackers, in fact I think they are great. I was just wondering however, if there was some way to incorporate a piano roll as well.
If there is some arguments against piano rolls specifically, please list them in a straightfoward manner and then justify your arguments. I fail to see the cause for any animus.
I'm trying to make a friendly suggestion, fielding an idea. Dave, thanks for recognizing my suggestion in a kind way.
It sounds like writing a whole new program to work intimately with fami at start up and issue commands to fami via midi.
Maybe this is stupid, but fami can already import midi so if you composed in an existing program and exported to fami to test out the sound...
but I would imagine note timing could cause problems, and fami can not export midi yet. With the effects than complicate what the speed that notes are actuality being played at I would guess that it never will (to the extent that would be needed to compose songs in another program, and test/finish songs in fami)
but then again it was an idea. Piano roll, one way or another... some one wanted it.
not sure they're mathematically possible with Fami's note delay... the limitation of most trackers is that unless you piddle around with delay quite liberally, you're going to end up with something that sounds quantised. It's a good thing most tracker people tend to go for electronic genres =P.