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First serious FamiTracker song (Not finished) Posted: 2012-09-30 16:05 Reply | Quote
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#40057
Hi, I`ve been using this software for some time, and while I consider myself a competent composer, I still do not think I have got the hang of this program.

Here is one of the songs I have been working on, the volume is the main problem, I am not sure how to go about making it more balanced.

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Posted: 2012-09-30 23:01 Reply | Quote
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Not bad, I think the volumes are way too high, and some of the transitions from frame to frame just sound bad, specifically 01-02 just jumps right in, with nothing to signal it. I'm kinda picky that way, but when I do a transition like that I usually slow down the Percussion and then bring it in heavier (only using 20% of a new frame) also I feel this song could have benefited from using the Triangle, if you felt the sound just stood out, it's a great percussion tool, slap a 225 (or something like that) on middle C with a short cutoff and it's a neat effect that goes well with the drums/noise,also in higher octaves it has a very cool Tom sound. Play around with it to see what you like best. I liked the melodies in the song but they kind of get repetitive, and at some points the DPCM just seems it be standing out against the melody. all in all it's not bad, I enjoyed it, keep up the good work!

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Posted: 2012-10-02 09:17  (Last Edited: 2012-10-02 09:21) Reply | Quote
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There's always room for more metalheads. Welcome! From a rhythm point of view this is pretty kool, I like the tone you're using. a few volume tweaks and it'll be perfect sound wise. Time to add a solo :D

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Posted: 2012-10-07 02:23 Reply | Quote
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[quote=Doxic]Not bad, I think the volumes are way too high, and some of the transitions from frame to frame just sound bad, specifically 01-02 just jumps right in, with nothing to signal it. I'm kinda picky that way, but when I do a transition like that I usually slow down the Percussion and then bring it in heavier (only using 20% of a new frame) also I feel this song could have benefited from using the Triangle, if you felt the sound just stood out, it's a great percussion tool, slap a 225 (or something like that) on middle C with a short cutoff and it's a neat effect that goes well with the drums/noise,also in higher octaves it has a very cool Tom sound. Play around with it to see what you like best. I liked the melodies in the song but they kind of get repetitive, and at some points the DPCM just seems it be standing out against the melody. all in all it's not bad, I enjoyed it, keep up the good work![/quote]

Yes, I already thought the volumes are too high, but I was unsure about how I should change them. Maybe I went too crazy with the number of channels I have! I'll try it with the standard 2a03, soon, to see if it's easier to work with this. Keep tuned for that!

[quote=Fezuke]There's always room for more metalheads. Welcome! From a rhythm point of view this is pretty kool, I like the tone you're using. a few volume tweaks and it'll be perfect sound wise. Time to add a solo :D[/quote]

The solo's coming in some time later! Remain patient! :D

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Posted: 2012-10-07 03:02 Reply | Quote
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Nah man, when you get into multi chip with every single expansion THEN that might be too many channels ;3

As for the volumes, just play around with having them all lower, on the pattern editor and the instrument editor, I can always turn my volume up, (but seeing as I keep mine at 4%, I can't turn it lower) :3

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Posted: 2012-10-07 03:21 Reply | Quote
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I'll see if I can create a good song with only 2a03, first, then I will delve into the world of expansion modules. Thanks for your advice, though!

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Posted: 2012-10-07 14:01  (Last Edited: 2012-10-07 14:11) Reply | Quote
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seems to me that it's a musical/harmonic/acoustic problem instead of a volume problem, you have a lot of redundant notes(five channels are playing the same notes). using fifths, fourths and thirds give the root notes some balls if you hit it in the sweet spots.

i'll try to make an edit to show what i mean when i get some time today.

edit: not to mention, all the notes being exactly the same is causing some major phasing issues. i noticed you tried using Pxx to address the issue and perhaps make it sound thicker, but it's still a phasing effect. phasing definitely isn't a ballsy element of heavy guitar tone ;P

oh another thing, the D-0 on the saw is so low that the high harmonic content of the saw at that frequency is sounding more like some non 12-TET note two octaves higher between B and C. this is also kind of screwing up the mix.

Posted: 2012-10-07 14:21  (Last Edited: 2012-10-07 14:22) Reply | Quote
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[quote=gyms]
oh another thing, the D-0 on the saw is so low that the high harmonic content of the saw at that frequency is sounding more like some non 12-TET note two octaves higher between B and C. this is also kind of screwing up the mix.[/quote]

I think D-0 is so low that Famitracker can't even assign a correct note to it anymore. Any note below A-0 is simply assigned $07FF and thus musically nonsense
(I think any note below A-0 should be highlighted in red or a similar warning colour in Famitracker. plz to be reading jsf)

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Posted: 2012-10-07 14:43  (Last Edited: 2012-10-07 14:46) Reply | Quote
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i just looked into it more, the notes on the saw actually go down to C-0, the harmonics add up. the issue with the D-0 isn't so much with that stray harmonic i mentioned earlier, but with the second harmonic of D-0(an octave) which is colliding with any other D notes in that frequency. the phasing is causing this wavering volume thing and sucking the balls out of the D-0.

but as long as you have a D a an octave above the D-0 frequency of the saw, to enhance that second harmonic, it will be perceived as a D.

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On 2A03 the lowest it can go is A0, but some expansions go lower (I don't remember which) but I think the N163 can

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Posted: 2012-10-07 23:25 Reply | Quote
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[quote=Doxic]On 2A03 the lowest it can go is A0, but some expansions go lower (I don't remember which) but I think the N163 can[/quote]

Oh, that's interesting - all the more reason for Famitracker to warn you, then (since it's inconsistent)

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Posted: 2012-10-08 00:00 Reply | Quote
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I've noticed when you add the Pxx or 4xx you can sometimes get a very quiet 7th octave note, its only on a Saw wave I've seen this, but it can screw up a mix pretty bad. It's better just to avoid those octaves I think

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